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New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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Hello.

I've just finished to create this new page:

https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Basic_Part_ ... torial_019


Sadly I've not a working FreeCAD 0.19 version on my machine as my Linux distribution is refusing to run the AppImage, so for 0.19 take it with care.

I hope that is understandable, but it is in WIP state, and waiting for some revisions.

In the meantime, i will announce it here, to ask for some reviews.

I'm interested in newbie point of view as it is targeted to these users, so don't be shy and let me know if some part is not clearly written and if you have encountered problems when following the tutorial.

It is not yet published "officially", so take it with some care.

Regards and thanks in advance for every review and comments.

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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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I went through this tutorial with FreeCAD version 0.19. I am fairly new to using FreeCAD. There are the notes I came up with. Hope they are useful. This is from the version of the tutorial that existed at 2022-11-11 08:00 UTC.
  1. When referencing figures SKC2 through SKC4, it would be nice if the figures were closer to the text references. e.g. "The result should resemble Fig: SKC2" is aligned with the bottom of Fig: SKC3. The same misalignment happens later as well.
  2. Right before the Side Profile section, there should (I assume) be something about closing the first sketch.
  3. Side Profile, Sketch001, Constraints.
    There are 2 sections with steps 1, 2 & 3 (before and after the note). It feels like that 2nd set should be 4, 5, 6.
  4. Features, 3rd paragraph.
    Change "various way" to "various ways".
  5. Features, 4th paragraph.
    Change "Starting point is another time a Sketch." to something like "Starting point is another sketch".
  6. Features, Sketch002.
    Step one says to hide the solid. But it is not totally clear what to select (i.e. the Pad).
  7. Features, Sketch002, External geometries constraints, second item #1.
    Suggest changing "Double click on Sketch002 to activate again edit mode", to "Double click on Sketch002 to activate edit mode again".
  8. Features, Sketch002, External geometries constraints.
    Third #1 (Click Close) should probably be #8.
  9. Sides, Sketch003, #1.
    I have no idea what "Make Sketch visible as done in precedence." is suppose to mean.
  10. Sides, Sketch003, item 3.
    The external geometry point is added, but nothing is done with it. I assumed it should be coincident with top-left point of the new rectangle.
  11. Sides, Sketch003, Pad001, #2.
    There is no Type f "Length". (I used Dimension.)
  12. Center Hole, Sketch004, #1.
    I still have no idea what "Make Sketch visible as done in precedence." is suppose to mean.
  13. Center Hole, Pocket001.
    Type of TwoLengths did not exist, used "Two Dimensions".
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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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jimb wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:49 pm I still have no idea what "Make Sketch visible as done in precedence." is suppose to mean.
Perhaps "Make Sketch visible as before"?
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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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jimb wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:49 pm I went through this tutorial with FreeCAD version 0.19. I am fairly new to using FreeCAD. There are the notes I came up with. Hope they are useful. This is from the version of the tutorial that existed at 2022-11-11 08:00 UTC.

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Thanks a lot.

As noted at start, probably some mismatch like your last point is caused by the version I'm using (0.20.1 on Linux)

EDIT: See if now is more clear, I'm trying to explicit "Steps", It is not finished, but see if in this way make more sense and is easy to follow.


To summarize:

- Thanks a lot for the "bug report"
- We will try are trying (me and other people who are helping me with this page) to make improvements.
- Thanks a lot if you gave another try waiting a couple of days, and maybe note down other things like the description mismatching, this way I will make some remarks in text to ease the use with 0.19.

Kind Regards.

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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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chrisb wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:29 pm ...
Perhaps "Make Sketch visible as before"?
Yes, that is the correct wording, thanks :).

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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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Here are my notes for doing this tutorial the 2nd time at 12:50 UTC on Nov 14, 2022 using v0.19 of FreeCAD.
  1. Master sketch, Notes, #2
    The one option to go back to editing the sketch (right-click in 3D view) does not seem to be an option in v0.19.
  2. Main Profile, Sketch001, Step1: Polyline.
    Might be helpful to explain why you should add the points/lines in the indicated order or say that the order does not matter.
    And for the statement in ()s, it might be better to instead say something like: "The labels, P1, P2, P3, & P4, will not appear in the sketch. There were added to the figure as we'll be referencing to those points in later steps."
  3. Sketch002, Step3: Close Sketch002.
    Might want to mention that the sketch won't be fully constrained at this time.
  4. Sketch002, Step4: Make visible external geometries
    When I did this, at the start Sketch was visible, but Sketch001 was not. So when I selected both of them and hit the space, the visibility of both flipped. I read the directions as implying to select both at the same time which won't work in all cases.
  5. Sketch002, Step5: Applying External geometries constraints, #1.
    Needs rewording. Suggest:
    "Double click on Sketch002 to activate edit mode again. Adjust the view so you can clearly see the points as shown in the example in Fig: SK2_1. This will ease subsequent steps.
  6. Sketch002, Step4: Close Sketch002
    This should be Step 6. Could also note here (or end of step5) that
    the sketch is now fully constrained.
  7. Sides, Sketch003, #1.
    It took a while, but I think I now understand what "Make Sketch visible as done before." means. Part of my confusion (despite the capitalization, and bold) that "Sketch" was the name of the sketch to make visible. In my case, it already was visible. Perhaps "Make sure Sketch is visible".
    In addition, it looks like you need to mention that the visibility of "Mirrored" should be flipped off or it'll interfere with drawing the rectangle.
  8. Sides. Pad001, #2.
    No length option for Type in v0.19. I used Dimension.
  9. Sketch004, #1.
    I also made "Mirrored001" invisible.
  10. Pocket001, #3.
    An explanation as to why the Refine property is being modified would be helpful.
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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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jimb wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:46 pm Here are my notes for doing this tutorial the 2nd time at 12:50 UTC on Nov 14, 2022 using v0.19 of FreeCAD.
...
Many thanks again, I've tried to follow your advices, could you check (again) if this seems better, this way?

I've made also some "additions", but giving too much "advices" and "Notes" in a Basic Tutorial could increased "noise".

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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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I didn't work through the whole tutorial again, but I read the sections I commented on and they all look good to me with one exception.
  • Master sketch, Notes, #2
    The change here is not right. Right-click does exit drawing mode in v0.19.
    My prior comment was that re-entering sketch editing mode by right-click and select Edit Sketch (there is no such option) does not work in v0.19.
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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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jimb wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:19 pm
  • Master sketch, Notes, #2
    The change here is not right. Right-click does exit drawing mode in v0.19.
    My prior comment was that re-entering sketch editing mode by right-click and select Edit Sketch (there is no such option) does not work in v0.19.
I noticed that problem too - already fixed. Thanks for your help. It really helps to have extra eyes on it.
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Re: New Part Design Tutorial for FC 019 and 020

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jimb wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:19 pm ...
Thanks, for point out, my fault :oops: .

Now the Tutorial is "left to the capable hands" of edwilliams16, as my efforts now are facing my "English language limits" as I'm not a "native English speaker", I'm limiting to images and some other cosmetic change if necessary.

Sorry for the BBC speakers :D

I'm joking or better this is a reminiscence of my first English teacher that said that there are two type of English:

- one spoken by BBC speakers
- and the "every day English" spoken "more or less" by others.

I could not joke too much more as here in Italian there are a plethora of dialects in "everyday use" and "accents" are very common even on people who "attend for many years good schools" :( .

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